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If you don't know much about pianos or their price ranges, don't feel
bad. If it's any consolation, most people
don't know much about pianos - structure, parts,
mechanics, design... and
their prices; the piano market, Industry changes and updates... even people who play them and teach on them every day! But
don't let that discourage YOU from becoming educated.
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intent of this site is to present FORTE
Piano Centre and Forte Academy of Music
on the World Wide Web with the emphasis on
offering a wealth of information on the
topic of buying a piano : Your options -
a new, used or digital piano purchase; The
importance of study of piano; The importance
of a quality, reliable piano for the
learning process; How the pianos work;
Important notes on used pianos; Notes on
digital pianos; Service issues; The
presentation of makes and models we sell
and WHY we
chose to sell the particular pianos - makes
just like our business, is more than a
business - it is a family passion, our
creation in which we invested (and continue
to) a substantial effort and reflects
our view that making music is about making
friends, having a great time -
making music makes life better, brighter and
more fun. Our opinion, is backed by
the family Hrovat's family tradition in
teaching, promoting the importance of music
and active performing - for four
teachers and concerned parents, however,
with our Forte Piano Centre & Forte
Academy of Music that is now strengthened by
this site, we see an opportunity to share
not only the beauty and magic of music and
music making with YOU, but to send THE
MESSAGE: MUSICAL TRAINING is one of the most
powerful educational and developmental tools
out there! A solid childhood musical
training BUILDS SKILLS FOR LIFE and
translates into a happier, healthier, more
productive and successful life!
While we enjoy
seeing the musical development of our
students, we are focused on all those
numerous non-musical benefits of study of
music. We know, that by doing so, and with
your appreciated participation and support,
we are making progress, a step towards a
better tomorrow by investing in the
most precious asset of Society: Our Kids!
remember, we are parents too and for the
most part share the beauty and all the
challenges and demands we and our kids face
What is the
piano's role in all that...?
While we appreciate and
support ANY form of participation in music, we are convinced that the STUDY
OF PIANO is an essential for developing solid musicianship - piano is
considered to be the best First Instrument! The international scientific
community and child development experts think the same: The unique concept
of study involves a complex neuro-senso-motoric activity, building a skills
that ONLY the study of music does. The
description of the piano-learning process to be a "simultaneous
multiple information processing, management and tasks execution"
only in part describes the process that simply is - amazing! More
importantly - because it is AMAZING it is AMAZINGLY BENEFICIAL!
In the study
of PIANO the instrument itself is of
tremendous importance. Not only that a good
piano is needed, the piano MUST be kept in
good tune and free of technical problems
like sticky keys, slow action, pedal
problems, buzzing sounds etc: The learning
process especially in the first months and
years is intricate enough that you don't
want to see the student/child dealing with
problems within the instrument itself. It is
distractive and possibly leads to confusion
Don't start your child taking piano lessons
until you have the appropriate piano
available at home. The way the instrument
feels and responds in the first months
of study sends powerful messages that stay
with kids. The proper feel of the keys and
acoustic/dynamic sound properties (NO volume
control!) are essential for any further
development of skill, technique and
expression! Digital piano? Better digital
piano with good ( fully-weighted and
hammered) touch are acceptable but should
not be considered as a first option. The
final choice is, of course - Yours!
How about a
terms - the use of an electronic keyboard is
a passport to either confusion and a
subsequent loss of interest or (at best),
unfortunately, piano student that started on a
keyboard simply does not develop the tone,
the technique and expression. According to
number of studies on the topic - the use of
an electronic keyboard is No 1 on the list of
factors related to the high drop-off (from
piano classes) rate in North America.
Luckily, in Europe and Asia, for the most
part, students are NOT permitted to start
piano classes without having an access to
practice on an adequate piano. Why? Nothing
to do with "fancy', "expensive", "huge
investment". It is actually to protect your
investment in learning. It makes
sense! Here, sadly, business/profit changes
everything - in some cases cheap keyboard is
given ( what a "present") to newly enrolled
students! Please think twice before wasting
your time, money and effort!
After all, it makes us proud to see
how many site visitors are becoming Forte Academy of Music Students and our
valued Piano Customers. Those that spent time ,
read the content of this site - do praise our efforts and reward it by
joining the ever-growing list of satisfied students and customers. THANK YOU!
I. "HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH?!?"
So, enough already... "How much are pianos?"
There's a few slight problems with that question in the first place, if you
think about it. Would you call a furniture store and ask, "how much are
a toy store and ask "how much are toys?" In either case, the answer you'd
get would probably sound something like: "... which sofa?" or "... which
toy?" If you have no idea what kind of sofa or toy you are looking for, any
price figure or range you get from a salesperson isn't going to mean very
much without some kind of frame of reference.
Though it may seem like we're not directly answering the question of "how
much?", our intention with this page is to explain the "WHY's" of piano
pricing. Any time you wish, simply visit us or even call for some prices and/or
numbers. To truly understand what these numbers mean, and for how to choose
the RIGHT piano, read on...
Good new pianos should last a long time (60-80+ years and beyond!), so in
addition to new competing brands, there is a selection of used instruments
as well. There is no "Blue Book" for used pianos because the value of a used
piano is almost entirely based on its INDIVIDUAL condition.
sellers: if you want to know your piano's value, call a technician to
appraise it! It's the ONLY way to get a specific dollar value on your
II. NEW or USED PIANOS
LIKE NEW or USED CARS!
Piano models don't change much from year to year, as next year's models won't have
an 89th key or a fourth pedal. So used pianos don't become obsolete like
many other used items we own - i. e. used computers -- which are resold at a mere fraction of the cost of new
ones. Since pianos rarely change from year to year, sizes or models are NOT
referred to by the year they were made (as in "test drive our 2010 models!")
In the world of pianos, a 2009 model is sometimes not much different than a
In fact, our industry is rather boring in this regard. Some piano models
remain largely unchanged for decades, which given their human-like life-spans,
explains why many good used pianos can easily fetch way more than half of
what their new counterparts cost.
However, be careful about the digital piano option: Some of the biggest (or
best- advertised) lines of digital pianos comprise of models that change
every few months! The new model immediately affects the re-sale value of the
one you purchased, the next model, (4 or 6 months later)
affects the value again...For many reasons, digital pianos do not hold their
value, just like most electronic items today, and that purchase can not be compared to the investment strength of
an acoustic piano purchase.
More on the value of USED PIANOS:
For example, if a car is five years old it's functional life might be half
over. A 5 year-old piano is still well within its infancy. If a baby grand
from brand X sells for, say a rock bottom $10,000, then the same model, used
for 5 years, might easily sell for $8000 on the open market. This can be
disheartening to the professional shopper looking for a mint-condition used
piano for $500! (The truth is, $8000 IS a bargain for some
good-condition used grands, depending on the piano.)
This is one of the realities of used pianos, especially concerning those
which are still "young," or where a similar or identical NEW model exists
from that same manufacturer: The used value is based on the price of the new
comparable model i.e. The price of the used model will stay JUST enough
under the new one in order to entice a buyer to forego the benefits of
buying NEW and simply buy CHEAPER.
II. FINDING INFORMATION ON A SPECIFIC USED PIANO
When the piano is older, and/or the manufacturer went out of business
decades ago, it gets tricky -- particularly for the potential buyer.
Unfortunately, there is little. if any, accurate and/or definitive
information on determining the value of an aged or "really used" used
piano. The condition of the instrument outweighs everything else. Whereas,
the price of a new piano is USUALLY dictated by MSRP's, older used pianos have a more complex formula --
one that begins with a technician's visit to check out the piano's...
III. THE BOTTOM LINE : WHAT PIANOS COST
"Argh!" you say. "I have no idea what pianos cost. How should I budget for
this?" (Again, check our for the numbers. Read on to understand them!)
If you really want to play it safe, find a trustworthy dealer who has a
reputation for being fair to help show you price ranges and what to expect
from these price ranges in terms of musical quality and appearance.
REMEMBER : No matter how much research you do, you should not expect
to become a fully-qualified piano technician in the space of time you are
shopping for a piano.
Perhaps you're fortunate enough to be in an area where you have a reputable
piano store with and shop that is willing to explain the
restoration process (it's actually pretty interesting!). Then you can see
first-hand just how complex and wonderful pianos really are and why buying
privately or through a marginal dealer can be a risky endeavor.
If you don't have such a dealer in your area, or you're simply
not inclined to spend that kind of time on this purchase, then we are here
for you! There must be a reason why our customers make repeated purchases,
bring friends, family literally recommending and/or suggesting (selling!)
them instrument(s) in our showroom. They call us: Ontario's Favourite
Piano Destination. We like that!
We realize what an important investment a piano is and that's why we're
committed to sending you as much information in writing as you request,
including delivery, warranty, trade-in and technical information. We can
even send digital photos from various angles and once you've decided on an
instrument we send an expert technician that can not only tune the piano but
perform the customizing: The voicing and the action regulation to make it sounds and feel up to your
Our reconditioned instruments come with lengthy written warranties,
they apply to in-town or to out-of-town purchases. Buyers can be confident
with their purchase since our Warranty is - NO QUESTIONS ASKED
WARRANTY - You need service, we perform it!
IV. USED VERTICALS
Remember that pianos have a long lifespan; if you purchase wisely, you'll
only have to do this once! That said, for a used vertical piano that is
properly restored and warranted, you can expect to pay $1500 up to, well,
up to $10,000, $12,000 or even more (as in a vintage Steinway, for example). Generally,
most reconditioned verticals end up somewhere between $1500 and $4000.
Obviously, there is plenty of overlap in price between used and new pianos
-- but that's a whole different essay (coming soon)! Incidentally,
good new digital cost about the same. But do they hold their value? That is
another essay...coming soon, too.
V. USED GRANDS
As for used grand prices? We get calls every week from someone just wanting
one "out of their house". As well they should. Pianos can often need
restoration work that well exceeds the value of the instrument, so
"freebies" are common. If you go down enough country roads, you'll see
plenty of cars that the owners would love to have off their property, so
someone can inherit their liability. Pianos are no different.
Grands that are playable are another story. Grands that play well AND look
nice is yet another. And just what constitutes "nice"? What YOU need to
spend in order to get what YOU want is largely determined by what YOU find
is acceptable. Let's say you found a playable, older baby grand from say,
the 70's going for $4000, but when you went to see it that "beautiful
walnut" finish turned out to be the medium-tone, honey walnut stain
frequently used in that era that matches absolutely nothing you own. Or
maybe it's ebony, but the ebony finish has changed, became "aligatored" due
to sunlight, so once again, that one's not finding a home in your living
How much time have you just spent scoping out these pianos in homes and
dealerships? Your time is valuable, isn't it? Do more homework online so you
really know what to ASK for when talking to dealers. The more specific you
can get, the faster you'll rule out places to visit -- either because you
can tell they don't have what you want, or they're not qualified, they're
not being straight, etc.
A really good dealer will actually ask YOU a lot of questions to make sure
they have what you're really looking for, even if YOU don't know how to ask
for it! If you're seeking a good PIANO as well as a nice piece of FURNITURE,
prices will start rising, and will begin to overlap with inexpensive new
pianos made in China and Indonesia.
Send us an e-mail to start a discussion about what used piano might work for
you -- you might be able to forego the hassle and simply buy from us online!
Check our to see if we have what you're looking for. If we don't, anyway,
because our used inventory changes almost every day.
VI. IN CONCLUSION
We have many
instruments in inventory, access to a full-lines of pianos we represent.
A good portion of
the inventory is comprised of used pianos. With our on-site
restoration and additional off-site workshop, staff of craftsmen & technicians, we can make them look,
feel and sound in their best at the most competitive prices. We use only
the most professional shipping companies and insure all pianos until they
are safely delivered and set up -- no matter where they are shipped.
When purchasing a new or used piano, you should carefully choose your
piano destination. While cabinet styling certainly has been
known to influence a purchase ("judging a book by its cover"), be
advised that looks -- whether stunning or atrocious, is only in part
describing the piano's quality.
FORTE Music Canada Ltd. provides generous written Warranty and trade-up options. The used piano
inventory changes too frequently for us to keep our website inventory
completely current, so please call 905-855-1030 or e-mail us at:
email@example.com for more
information if you don't immediately find what you're looking for on our
new or used pages. Or, come visit us - we are conveniently located in (old)
Clarkson - settled in 1808, East of Winston Churchill Blvd., South of QEW - minutes
from Oakville, Burlington, Hamilton, Milton, Brampton - 20 min drive from
Downtown Toronto. FREE PARKING!
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